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August 10, 2010

ABA House of Delegates Adopts Policy on Marriage Equality, Microstamping of New Semi-Automatic Pistols and Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty

During the final day of debate of the _ House of Delegates, policy was adopted in support of marriage equality, micro stamping of newly manufactured semi-automatic pistols, and in support of the United States ratifying the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

The ABA’s House of Delegates considers recommendations presented to it by various association entities, as well as state and local bars, twice a year when it meets for its Annual and Midyear Meetings.  Recommendations that are adopted become official policy of the association, allowing it to lobby before Congress and the executive branch on the issues.

The discussion on marriage equality occurred days after Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker of the United States District Court of Northern District of California ruled that the California Proposition 8 initiative was unconstitutional. The policy, as adopted by the House of Delegates, urges state, territorial and tribal governments to eliminate legal barriers to civil marriage between two persons of the same sex who are otherwise eligible to marry.

Introducing the proposal, former ABA President Robert Grey argued that the fundamental issue was one of equality.  There was an era in which we as a nation needed to consider gender equality, equality for all races and equality for people with disabilities, he said.  “Denial of civil marriage harms [same-sex couples] and their families, excluding them from critical legal protections married people take for granted.”

Incoming ABA President Steve Zack asked one question of the delegates, “Why would anyone in this country not want two people who love each other to enjoy the blessings of marriage, and the full protection of the law?”

Carolyn Lamm, who completed her one-year tenure as president of the association at the end of the meeting, added that adopting the recommendation would “Honor the dignity and value of loving, committed relationships.”

The House of Delegates also adopted policy urging federal, state and territorial governments to enact laws requiring that newly manufactured semi-automatic pistols be fitted with micro stamping technology to better enable law enforcement officials to identify the serial number of the pistol used in a crime.

In addition, the ABA adopted recommendation 107(A), urging the United States to ratify the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.  Supporting the recommendation which was brought to the House by the ABA Section of International Law, Michael Byowitz of New York, spoke about the importance of rule of law.  The policy builds on existing ABA policy in support of the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons, he said.  President Obama’s administration is aggressively pursuing U.S. ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

During the meeting of the House of Delegates, the ABA also took steps to further Voluntary Good Practices Guidance for Lawyers to Detect and Combat Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing and urging Congress to enact laws that provide for a Startup Visa for foreign citizens forming businesses under which they can enter the United States and obtain permanent residency to build such businesses. It also adopted policy urging federal, state and other governments to provide funding to public defender offices and legal aid programs for the provision of advice about immigration consequences of criminal proceedings to indigent, non-U.S. citizen defendants.

The _ meets twice a year; its next, Midyear Meeting, will be held in Atlanta in February 2011.

Comments (32)

  • Tom B
    11:23 AM October 4, 2010

    Micro stamping is a red herring and you guys/gals just showed how liberal and out of touch you really are. Way to go marginalizing your selves even more.

  • Michael H
    11:30 AM October 4, 2010

    Your silly microstamping nonsense isn’t going to stop people from putting a replacement firing pin into their gun. People can machine a firing pin in their garage with simple tools.

    You people don’t get it do you.

  • MK
    11:40 AM October 4, 2010

    I am an attorney. The pathetic liberal nonsense in this article summarizes exactly why I will never join the ABA. The ABA is an embarrassment to logic.

  • CAPT Steve
    11:57 AM October 4, 2010

    Micro stamping “technology” does not exist, and even if it someday does, it will be fairly easy to defeat.

    One would think that attorneys of all people would understand that criminals, by definition, are ones who disobey the law. What makes any of you think that criminals would obey a law not to defeat “micro stamping technology”.

    This is, in fact, a back door attempt to ban firearms from law abiding citizens, and nothing more or less.

  • FFFFF YOU!!!!
    12:16 PM October 4, 2010

    FU!!!! What do you not understand about our GOD GIVEN RIGHT OF THE 2nd Amendment? IT SAYS “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”!!!!

  • Siobhra
    12:36 PM October 4, 2010

    After it is passed I will collect shell casings to save. If I ever have to use my gun in self defense I will just drop a few of the collected shells around as I take mine away. And if a future gun of mine has micro stamping I will remove the stamp less someone else get their hands on a few of my shell casings and do the same. Crooks will be haunting gun ranges looking for stamped casings to toss around their crimes.

  • Genius
    12:41 PM October 4, 2010

    Good choice on the microstamping position. Maybe the ABA can also adopt policy on requiring all of it’s members to ride unicorns to the office.

    Yes, that’s sarcasm.

    Basic research on microstamping shows it doesn’t work. The only end goal of microstamping is to restrict firearm ownership.

    Apparently the ABA doesn’t view the Bill of Rights as law, or at least parts that don’t agree with its own agenda.

  • RiverCat
    12:52 PM October 4, 2010

    This just shows how left wing and out of touch with American values the ABA is and not the once proud organization that it used to be.

  • Rob F.
    1:06 PM October 4, 2010

    Nonsense like this is why I resigned in protest from the ABA over 15 years ago.

  • Rita
    1:32 PM October 4, 2010

    So when a firing pin wears off the micro stamp. then what? You folks need to learn before you adopt. A sheet of sandpaper and bingo, no microstamp. DUHHHHH!!! Stupid lawyers!!!

  • Family Man
    3:34 PM October 4, 2010

    Another liberal attempt to make a failed idea and lie appear as if it is the main stream American will.

  • Trash
    3:43 PM October 4, 2010

    As expected from a pure liberal front organization.

  • WmTipton
    3:53 PM October 4, 2010

    uh…if semi autos can be traced, bad guys will just use a revolver instead.
    These asinine laws only affect law abiding citizens and these gun control pukes know it.

  • WmTipton
    3:56 PM October 4, 2010

    “I am an attorney. The pathetic liberal nonsense in this article summarizes exactly why I will never join the ABA. The ABA is an embarrassment to logic.”
    Well said.

  • Snitch-in-Time
    6:09 PM October 4, 2010

    Microstamping, nuclear non-proliferation and Sodomite marriage! Only the ABA could, wait for it…, marry those issues. In an odd way they are all related.

    Embrace of sodomy is a great destroyer of liberty rather than a foudation for a civil society. Look at what the demands of homosexualists activists has cost us: Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Association, and Freedom of Speach, and Freedom of Conscience. If you don’t believe me, try exercising these freedoms with respect to the peculiar species of wickedness and depravity known as homosexuality and see what happens.

    Since the American claim to freedom is based upon an appeal to “the laws of nature and nature’s God” is it any wonder that something that violates both laws would be a destroyer of liberty? And would it be any wonder that those advocating the normalizing of such deviency support other attempts on Liberty?

  • Mike B
    6:15 PM October 4, 2010

    Who in the world asked you, aba? What do these topics have to do with the purpose of your organization. Your political activism ensures your irrelevance. Nimrods.

  • Militia-am-I
    7:02 PM October 4, 2010

    Another liberal takeover of a once nobel american organization, just like the AMA and ARRP, the ABA now joins the growing group of irrelavent organizations distroyed by the left.

    congratulations on getting it all wrong….

  • Anonymous
    7:19 PM October 4, 2010

    Obama relies on ABA advice to pick judges. I figures.

  • R. Harris
    8:19 PM October 4, 2010

    Why don’t you hold you next meeting in Communist China or Cuba? They will be glad to endorse your micro stamping agenda.

    What about the 200 million plus firearms already in private ownership? Do YOU really believe we are going to turn them in? This ain’t NAZI Germany or England or Australia or any of the other pantywaist countries you wish you were living in.

    A freedom loving gun owner & proud of it!

    You folks don’t live in the real world

  • Peter Caroline
    9:14 PM October 4, 2010

    Once the United States adopts the anti-freedom philosophies and regulations of the foreign despots that rule the U.N., we as a free nation are doomed. What’s next, ABA, Sharia law?

  • bearman
    7:15 AM October 5, 2010

    just like a lawyer, never looses even if his client does. liberal fools that are suppose to
    be educated,intelligent,and should have common
    sence, none of the above apply, a judge going
    agenst the vote of the people,mutiple studies that
    prove that micro stamping does not work, and
    tieing that to Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty?? yea like the other countries & radicals will take head to that!! go salp them on the
    wrist while they cut your head off…when will
    the lawyers start to make sure that the criminals
    pay for their actions, and not the law biding
    citizens ! we need to seal the border and kick
    out the illegals with ancor babies, just take them
    with you back to where you should be living,
    when you were here illegally,so you shuld not be
    here,so your child should not have been born here!
    how complicated is that espeically with so much
    crime especially near the border to American citizen keeps occuring and nothing is being done
    to repair the root cause of the problem. sorry
    I did a lawyer thing, rambled on a bit.

  • No Way
    9:02 AM October 5, 2010

    What a bunch of screwballs! Most firearms used in violent crimes come from illegitimate sources. So even if microstamping could possibly enable the tracking of the weapon’s origin, what does this do to track down a perpetrator? Not to mention that for one this technology does not exist, and second, that it is easily defeated. It seems that after the Heller and McDonald decisions these knotheads have to go back to their drawing boards and conjure a back door gun control scheme. Unbelievable!

  • R Warner
    9:12 AM October 5, 2010

    You do realize that the only lawyers the Bible mentions are those that tried to trap Christ with his own words in order to kill him. I’m not the least impressed with the liberal ABA, or LCAV or the ACLU. You “lawyers” take the term “bottom feeder” to a whole new level.

    It’s already been proven in tests, conducted at UC Davis, that microstamping is a miserable failure. How much more evidence do you require before you let it go ? As for identifying a particular gun, if I was a criminal with a stolen gun that is microstamped, I could care less, because all the microstamping does is point to the owner that the gun was stolen from. It does nothing to identify the criminal.

  • J Williams
    10:49 AM October 5, 2010

    Kudos on the support for Marriage equality -I am all for that…people deserve to be able to marry no matter how they were born.

    But microstamping? You guys are insane, you guys, better than anyone, should recognize that CRIMINALS DON’T FOLLOW LAWS! microstamping will only impose excess cost and onerous burdens on law abiding gun owners….Shame on you ABA.

  • J Williams
    10:54 AM October 5, 2010

    Please stick to supporting your members, and ensuring that they’re qualified to practice law and to protect our rights…Taking a position on social policy/stopping the bigots is one thing – but your organization should not be taking positions on pending legisltion that affects the 2nd amendment…

  • Russ S
    11:20 AM October 5, 2010

    It’s amazing that these people think that we uneducated commoners have to led around like sheep and have to be told what’s right and what’s wrong. I’ve been living in the state of Chicago all my life and it sickens me to live under this type of (bought and paid for)leadership.This technology will never work, but it’s part of the liberal and progressive movement to control everything and protect there jobs.

  • chris
    10:23 PM October 6, 2010

    when the day comes that micro stamping becomes mandatory is the day i stop going to gun ranges. there is no way you can pick up every round from a gun that micro stamps shell casings. all it takes is for one would be criminal to pick up a handfull of your brass and drop them at a crime scene and you the innocent gun owner are in hot water, and will have a lot of explaining to do.

  • Average Citizen
    11:18 PM October 6, 2010

    Think of all the money that these “smart” individuals invested in higher education just to end up supporting nonsense like micrtostamping. The members of the ABA House of Delegates are either grossly misinformed, are truly stupid beyond any human comprehension, or have an ulterior motive. What a bunch of morons.

  • Steve Long
    4:49 AM October 7, 2010

    The old adage “How do you know if a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving”, has never been more proven. The issues and positions recently taken by the ABA and it’s members speak for themselves. Every distorted pursuit taken on by fabricators of facts will have two or more justifications. Several will be mere pretense and given publicly. Then there are the real reasons, usually concealed. Sad thing is, far too many lawyers are both liars and thoroughly embedded in one of the three branches of government in our once great country. We the people need to take action before it is too late. Get active, learn the real facts and vote them out while it is still possible to vote. Tell your friends and neighbors to vote. It does make a difference! The only vote that is wasted is the one that isn’t cast.

  • K.A.
    7:52 AM October 7, 2010

    Its funny how the ABA ruled the California marriage law as unconstitutional, while in the same delegation support more legislation promoting gun control, the added effect of which is infringing on Americans right to bear arms. Good job ABA for so strongly ignoring the U.S. Constitution, the highest law of this country and acting as you please in order to work towards removing fundamental rights from citizens.

  • alflaw
    1:22 PM October 7, 2010

    Please do not include me when you talk about lawyers as a class.
    I have been an attorney for 17 years, with prior degrees in Chemical Engineering and an MBA. I have been an NRA Life member for 20+, with an upgrade to Endowment after the 1994 gun ban.
    While I was automatically enrolled as an ABA member when I passed the bar, that did not last long when I threatened to sue if they did not purge my name.
    Law school was nothing compared to engineering and liberals were the majority in law school; at least as to those that came straight from college with no real world experience.
    Any lawyer that is not able to easily read and understand the plain language of the Constitution (especially in the historical context in which it was written)should never have been able to pass the bar.

  • Matt
    8:23 AM February 6, 2011

    I have been on this site for a few hours and this is exactly why I can’t find any case Law on any of the issues that I have been looking for. I’m sure the Gangster will put his name on the waiting list to buy a gun and then makes sure it gets stamped or he will refuse to do any violent crime with it.